tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394922.post111006051492509291..comments2024-02-19T00:54:37.767-08:00Comments on The Columnist Manifesto: Why Social Security privatization is a bad ideaOscar Madisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05558650379298098292noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394922.post-1110311979328858882005-03-08T11:59:00.000-08:002005-03-08T11:59:00.000-08:00Thanks to both of you for replying! Tom, regardin...Thanks to both of you for replying! Tom, regarding the "screwed" comment, I'm very skeptical that with the increase in the number of retirees from the baby boom era coupled with the fact that people live longer these days that the Social Security system will be able to keep a 70% payout rate forever. I don't even think that the most optimistic forecasts predict that. But, maybe I haven't seen some of them and you could point me in the right direction - hopefully not to Brad DeLong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394922.post-1110252406449475862005-03-07T19:26:00.000-08:002005-03-07T19:26:00.000-08:00Bryan, a central problem with your argument is tha...Bryan, a central problem with your argument is that most Social Security recipients actually need income security. This includes some relations of mine who are pretty far in the right tail of the wealth distribution for seniors, but who nevertheless could not live solely off their wealth.<br /><br />Wealth distributions are highly skewed, so while older people tend to be richer thanks to having had time to accumulate savings, most of that 2/3 (in whatever way the figure might be accurate) will be concentrated in relatively few hands.<br /><br />You're also casting an inappropriately negative light on the system's finances. Under the trustees' projections, which have tended to be pessimistic in the past, the system can pay out something like 70% of scheduled benefits under current law ad infinitum. Those benefits would be higher, in inflation-adjusted terms, than present recipients receive. Moreover, using the same economic forecasts used to score the health of Social Security, projected economic growth would be insufficient to provide anything like historical average stock market returns.<br /><br />So you are really into a unique meaning of being "screwed" under traditional Social Security.Tom Bozzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05853926747746938925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394922.post-1110248902495939652005-03-07T18:28:00.000-08:002005-03-07T18:28:00.000-08:00I see your point, but then the question becomes, w...I see your point, but then the question becomes, why the hell are we giving Social Security checks to rich older Americans? The elderly control 2/3 of the wealth in this country and working families are paying to prop them up. If we are talking about Social Security as solely a safety net, then let's give it just to the people who need it and we'll solve the part of the problem right away. If Social Security is a system for all Americans, it seems to me that wealth accumulation via private accounts is a worthwhile goal.<br /><br />In other news, I have ~42 years until retirement. That puts me right near the estimates of 2042 and 2052 for when the system can only pay out ~75% of benefits and goes downhill from there. If college kids and young working adults aren't investing extra money right now, they're likely going to get screwed anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394922.post-1110243054424953262005-03-07T16:50:00.000-08:002005-03-07T16:50:00.000-08:00Bryan, the key phrase in your comment is "extra mo...Bryan, the key phrase in your comment is "extra money." One of the fallacies of privatization is our broader pension policy confusion between wealth accumulation and income security. I think the Bush Admin really views privatization from the vantage point of their wealthier supporters for whom social security checks are indeed extra money -- in which case, why not play the market with it?Oscar Madisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05558650379298098292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394922.post-1110168576941761242005-03-06T20:09:00.000-08:002005-03-06T20:09:00.000-08:00Presumably, WorldCom stock was a small portion of ...Presumably, WorldCom stock was a small portion of the entire retirement fund. Obviously, if an individual investor were in only one stock, it would be very high risk, but as far as I understand President Bush's plan, you could only invest a few percent of your payroll tax into private investments and these private investments would have to be diversified in mutual fund-type funds.<br /><br />I would be shocked if you were not an investor and I would be shocked if you would recommend that people with extra money shouldn't invest it in the stock market. Although I don't think it's a good idea to transition to private accounts right now because of the large transition costs, it seems to me that investing in stocks is a fundamentally good idea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com